Written by: Jonny Grossmark - November 21, 2012

A Statistical Comparison between LFC 2008 (Rafa) v LFC 2012 (Rodgers)


In the 2007-2008 season Liverpool finished 4th but way off the pace, 11 points behind the champions of that season, Man Utd. Nevertheless, there was huge optimism about being able to compete with United after Fernando Torres had an excellent season and bagged 24 goals in the Premiership.

In 2008-2009, Liverpool purchased Philipp Degen, Andrea Dossena, Robbie Keane, and David N’Gog to bolster an already impressive squad of players.

They opened the season with a 4-4-2 formation but quickly reverted to a 4-2-3-1 for most of the rest of the season. The team had a Spanish flavour, with Torres, Pepe Reina, Alvaro Arbeloa, Xabi Alonso and Albert Riera all regular starters. Only Steven Gerrard and  Jamie Carragher represented home grown talent in the regular starting XI.

Sadly OPTA did not include final-third passing and final-third passing completion data for the season but below I have calculated some ratios that we can compare with other seasons.

1st GOAL \ RESULT LIVERPOOL WON LIVERPOOL DREW LIVERPOOL LOST
08/09 SCORED 1st GOAL 19 1 1
08/09 CONCEDED 1st GOAL 6 5 1
12/13 SCORED 1st GOAL 3 2 1
12/13 CONCEDED 1st GOAL 0 3 2

The highlight of the season was Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez’s first win over Man Utd. We can see that Liverpool had a very impressive season in many ways. They won 90% of games in which they scored first and only lost 8% of games in which they conceded first, so their “fight back” ability was amazing. We can also see that they never lost a game in which they scored the first goal.

SCORING 1st TIME 0-15 15-30 31-45 46-60 61-75 76-90
LFC 08/09 – WON 4 4 4 2 3 2
LFC 08/09 – LOST 1 0 0 0 0 0
LFC 08/09 – DRAWN 0 0 1 0 0 0
LFC 12/13 – WON 1 1 0 1 0 0
LFC 12/13 – LOST 0 0 0 1 0 0
LFC 12/13 – DRAWN 1 0 1 0 0 0

They suffered only one away defeat when conceding first, and this was courtesy of an own  goal conceded on 31′. They were 1-0 down at half time and you can see how this ties in with ‘HT leverage’, the historical tendency, general to all teams, to fail to comeback when 1-0 down away at half time. We can see that Liverpool won all their games when they scored first, and  the time of the first  goal is a crucial element in predicting the outcome of a game.

Comparing the data from 2008-2009 to this season implies no change in formation, as in both seasons Liverpool employed a 4-2-3-1 set-up. Effectively, though, we are comparing the team of 2008-2009 who, some argue, should have won the  league, with a team today under Brendan Rodgers that is in a period of transition.

LFC COMPARISON POSS AVE. GLS TSH SOT GLS/SOT SHOT AVE.
LIVERPOOL 08/09 59.99% 77 736 224 0.34 19.36
LIVERPOOL 12/13 56.73% 17 218 53 0.32 18.16

Looking at GLS (goals)/SOT (shots on target) shows 0.34 vs 0.32, so very little difference in accuracy between the 2008-9 and current seasons.

Possession clocked in at 59.99% average in 2008-2009; this season Liverpool’s average possession is 56.73%. Again, no significant difference here.

Liverpool’s shot average in 2008-2009 was 19.36 and this season it is  18.16

In 2008-2009 Liverpool had a shot to % of possession ratio of  3.09, and this season it is 3.12, so another close one.

CONCEDING 1st TIME 0-15 15-30 31-45 46-60 61-75 76-90
LFC 08/09 – WON 1 3 0 0 2 0
LFC 08/09 – LOST 0 0 1 0 0 0
LFC 08/09 – DRAWN 1 1 2 1 0 0
LFC 12/13 – WON 0 0 0 0 0 0
LFC 12/13 – LOST 0 0 2 0 0 0
LFC 12/13 – DRAWN 0 2 1 0 0 0

Liverpool are  effectively being carried by Suarez who has scored 10 goals from 20 SOT, boasting an excellent 0.5 ratio. I think it is time for Gerrard to step aside as he has only contributed 6 SOT and 1 goal thus far this season. For his legs, I am afraid that the 2008-2009 season is a distant memory.

LFC 2008/09 GOALS SHOTS ON TARGET GOALS:SHOTS
GERRARD 16 133 41 0.39
TORRES 14 86 31 0.45
KUYT 12 105 38 0.31
BENAYOUN 8 51 18 0.44

If we look at Liverpool this season the encouraging sign is that although they have not won this season when conceding first, they managed to draw at Chelsea, at home to Newcastle, and away at Sunderland, all while conceding first, so there is a sign of recent “fight back” ability. The only game they have lost this season when scoring first is the home defeat to Man Utd (and even that when down to ten men).

The average age of the Liverpool team against Man City was just under 25 years and I understand this was the youngest first team that Liverpool have put out in a league game since 2003.

The future is certainly bright for Liverpool and I think Rodgers will be the right man to lead them into their  Tiki-Taka adventure in the coming years. I would think Gerrard would step down from the first team at the end of the season and join Rodgers in installing the “fight back” spirit that they showed under Benitez.

 





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About the Author

Jonny Grossmark
My first taste of football in a stadium was Gillingham V Aston Villa 1971 and I still have the programme which cost 5p. I have been lucky to have seen a number of Cup Finals but missed the Sunderland goal in 1973 as I was in the toliet. I have recently been watching Margate and also watch around 50 other matches a month on my computer .




 
 

 
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9 Comments


  1. Jonny Grossmark

    Just to advise one point has been edited incorrectly. Liverpool did not lose a game that season when they scored first 16-FT.


  2. Jonny Grossmark

    We can also see that they never lost a game in which they scored the first goal.(they lost one game) but 16-FT scoring first lost none.


  3. Jonny Grossmark

    We can see that Liverpool won all their games when they scored first,16-FT and the time of the first goal is a crucial element in predicting the outcome of a game.

    16-FT was missed…


  4. Jonny Grossmark

    Brilliant time to write about Rafa as the BBC advise that Chelsea have contacted Rafa today.


  5. Jonny Grossmark

    Rafa v Rodgers will be interesting when Chelsea next play Liverpool/ Time for another article? Tiki taka v fight back.


  6. Jonny Grossmark

    Time for A RDM article


  7. Jonny Grossmark

    This article should win timing of the year.


  8. Dave

    Interesting piece but a bit pointless in comparing Rafa’s team after he’d been in the job 4 years and spent 200 million to Rodgers after 5 months and 25million.


  9. Jonny Grossmark

    Hello Dave. Rafa is(was) a creative genius. Rodgers not proved himself yet but Liverpool turning a corner after a few years of neglect was the point. Rafa also had more control of the club?????



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